QUESTION:
I'm a Canadian citizen living and working in US on a work visa. I may or may not return to Canada. I was thinking of investing in real estate in Canada and so renting out the property. In terms of taxes would I be way better off just investing in US? As a non resident of Canada it appears I would have witholding tax on gross rental income, then would also have to fill tax return in Canada as well as US (taxed as foreign income?) ie taxed 3 time in instead of once?
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david ingram replies:
If you live in California and buy rental real estate in Arizona, Oregon, New York, another 40 states or Canada, you will have to file a tax return for the other jurisdiction.
If you live in no tax form states like Washington, Alaska, Texas, Florida, or Nevada, and invest in real estate in another state with a tax return, you have to file that other state's return even though there is no state tax return in your state.
Although there can be some extra taxation, in general, foreign tax credits mitigate the tax to where you only pay the higher tax.
If you file Canadian form NR6, the Canadian withholding is reduced to 25% of the 'net' rent, rather than 25% of the gross. And in either case, when you file your Canadian return, there is usually a refund.
This older short Q & A might help
My_question_is: Applicable to both US and Canada
Subject: Canadian rental property while working in USA
Expert: taxman at centa.com
Date: Tuesday March 27, 2007
Time: 11:53 AM -0500
QUESTION:
How do I handle my real estate taxes if I am Canadian citizen (nonresident) working the USA with a rental property in Canada?
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david ingram replies:
CANADA
You should have filed an NR-6 first before the first month's rent. Then your agent should have filed a NR-4 Supplementary for the rent and any tax deducted by March 31, 2007 for the 2006 year.
Then you must file a Canadian Rental return with a T776 under Section 216(4) for 2006 by June 30th.
USA
Then you convert the figures on the T776 to US figures and put them on US forms Schedule E and 4562. If there was any income tax paid to Canada, you use US form 1116 to claim that credit on your 1040.
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This is not intended to be definitive but in general I am quoting $800 to $2,800 for a dual country tax return.
$800 would be one T4 slip one W2 slip one or two interest slips and you lived in one country only - no self employment or rentals or capital gains - you did not move into or out of the country in this year.
$1,000 would be the same with one rental
$1,200 would be the same with one business no rental
$1,200 would be the minimum with a move in or out of the country. These are complicated because of the back and forth foreign tax credits. - The IRS says a foreign tax credit takes 1 hour and 53 minutes.
$1,500 would be the minimum with a rental or two in the country you do not live in or a rental and a business and foreign tax credits no move in or out
$1,600 would be for two people with income from two countries
$2,800 would be all of the above and you moved in and out of the country.
This is just a guideline for US / Canadian returns
We will still prepare Canadian only (lives in Canada, no US connection period) with two or three slips and no capital gains, etc. for $150.00 up.
With a Rental for $350
A Business for $350 - Rental and business likely $450
And an American only (lives in the US with no Canadian income or filing period) with about the same things in the same range with a little bit more if there is a state return.
Moving in or out of the country or part year earnings in the US will ALWAYS be $800 and up.
TDF 90-22.1 forms are $50 for the first and $25.00 each after that when part of a tax return.
8891 forms are generally $50.00 to $100.00 each.
18 RRSPs would be $900.00 - (maybe amalgamate a couple)
Capital gains *sales) are likely $50.00 for the first and $20.00 each after that.
Just a guideline not etched in stone.
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