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-------------------------------------------------------------Hi,
We are contemplating purchasing a condo in Arizona and wondered if you can recommend a local (North Vancouver) lawyer knowledgeable in US real estate matters to review a USA condo purchase contract?
Thanks
david ingram replies:
I presume you have dealt with this. It was literally buried in 5,000 other emails.
Although it seems weird with the number of Canadians buying US real estate, I do not know any lawyer in Vancouver specializing in US Real Estate matters.
Take it to someone in Blaine or Bellingham if you have a problem.
The following WILL help you though.
QUESTION:
We are Canadians and acquired a residential property in Texas in Dec 2007. We have a property manager and sent in applications for ITINs.
Our intention is to rent the property out for a number of years and then reside in it seasonally.
We will have to seek representation for future tax filings but have a number of questions:
1. Well we haven't rented out the property yet, we incurred expenses in 2007(legal, renovations, interest, property management).
Can we carryforward these expenses to filing in both jurisdictions in 2008 ?
2. We did two trips in 2007 for searching for
properties in the location before we bought. Are the costs associated with these trips, deductible in both Canada and US filings?
3. Depreciation - our intention after renting out the property for a number of years is to use it as a secondary residence. What are the considerations concerning deducting depreciation with any future disposition?
david ingram replies:
1. Any expenses for the purchase and getting ready for rent are NOT deductible against current income.
They CAN be added to the principal and deducted in the future against any capital gains when you sell it And be depreciated in the meantime.
As an example:
You buy a unit for $194,000. and spend $2,000 legal expenses and $4,000 travel (to buy) for a total of $200,000
The municipal appraisal is for $150,000 and says the land is worth $75,000 and the improvements (bldg) are worth $75,000
You would set up the opening depreciation schedule in the US (schedule 4562) as Land $100,000 - Building $100,000 as a proration of the $200,000 you paid.
You would do the same in the CCA spot on Canada's T776.
The Improvements and any carrying costs would then be added to the cost of the building.
So if you spent $18,000 on improvements and another $2,000 in interest for December, you would then add $20,000 to the cost of the bldg in both countries and the depreciation schedule would show land $100,000, Building $120,000.
That presumes that the property was not available to rent at the time because of the remodeling.
2. After purchase, trips to Texas to look at the property or deal with matters are not deductible even though there are lines on the return for auto. Auto expense is to use your car, etc for repairs or to carry your lawn mower and is not designed for you to drive 2,000 miles.
In addition, since you can NOT do any repairs or improvements or even collect the rent for the Texas unit, there can NOT be a claim for going to Texas for you to physically paint or clean.
But even if the unit was in Nova Scotia where you can paint and clean, that travel expense is not deductible although the CRA and IRS tend to overlook the claim if made.
If you had bought it in September and the unit was available on Oct 1 and did not rent for Oct, Nov and December, than you would do as above with expenses up to the day it was available and be able to deduct condo fees, taxes, interest, utilities, advertising, long distance phone calls, management, etc on US schedule E on form 1040NR (one of each of you if in joint tenancy) AND schedule T776 in Canada.
3. Note that depreciation 'has to be' claimed on schedules E and 4562 under US law even if it creates a loss.
In Canada CCA (depreciation) can NOT be claimed unless it is used to reduce a profit. CCA in Canada can NOT be used to increase or create a loss for rental property whether it is a jet engine, a motorhome, ski cabin in Whistler or condo in Florida.
If and when you sell the property, both countries tax the recapture of depreciation or CCA. So unless you tear the old building down (no recapture) any tax you save in the interim has to be repaid, in both countries. I prepared a Hawaii tax return today where the depreciation claimed over the last 20 years resulted in a $32,000 tax bill today.
In addition, under sections 45(4) of the CANADIAN Income Tax Act, if you have depreciated the unit and then convert it to a personal unit in the future, you must pay any capital gains tax and any recapture tax when you move into it as your own. If you rent it out withOUT claiming Canadian depreciation, section 45(3) allows you to delay paying any capital gains tax until the actual sale when you convert the rental unit to personal use.
Because your property is in Texas, there is no state return to prepare as there would be in Vermont, California, Arizona, and another 40 states.
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The following was given out at a recent seminar for Ozzie Jurock's Real Estate Action Group (REAG) which you can find out about at www.jurock.com.
QUESTION: I am looking at buying property in the US. What tax implications should I be looking at beforehand? Also, can trips taken there to look at properties be claimed as an expense after I've bought? Can trips just to look be claimed against anything (what if I look in Vegas, Arizona, and Portland, but only end up buying in one or none).------------------------------------------------
david ingram replies:
I actually spoke to 113 people at Ozzie Jurock's Seminar at SFU on Monday Night, Jan 7 2008.
The trips are not a writeoff against other income. If you buy something they can be addded to the cost of the property you did buy.
i.e., if you spent $5,000 on trips and paid $200,000, the cost of the unit for future depreciation purposes would be $205,000 less any land value.
It would also affect any future taxable capital gains when you sold the property.
Remember if you do a piece of real estate for investment, you can NOT do any work on it whatsoever. If you do, you risk jail, fines and being banned from the US for 3, 5, 10 year or even forever.
The following two pieces plus a sample US rental tax return were handed out at the seminar.
ONE dealt with the working issue and what forms to fill out.
David
Ingram's US/Canada Services
US/Canada/Mexico Tax Immigration &
working Visa Specialists
US / Canada Real Estate
Specialists
4466 Prospect Road
North Vancouver,
BC, CANADA, V7N 3L7
Calls accepted from 10 AM to 10 PM 7 days a
week
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Jan 6, 2008.
Rentals in the USA.
QUESTION that came to me from
ASK AN EXPERT at www.jurock.com
We just
purchased property in Spokane Washington( a 4 plex apartments)
We plan on
renting out 3 of the units and keeping one. I was told by the border
crossing inspector,
that I have to hire a rental agency in order to rent out
the apartments.
and I also have to have a property manger full
time..
We will be at our apartment approx 2 times a month..
So we do not
need a property manager.
Do you know if this true,, or please direct me to
the correct person that would be able to help me.
Thanks for your
time.
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david ingram
replies:
You need a property manager if you do not want the strong
possibility of going to jail for a few days before being deported and then not
allowed back in the USA. For a story about US Immigrations hell for a Holiday
Inn Manager, try
http://apostille.us/news/local_holiday_inn_express_manager_in_jail_on_immigration_charges;_husband_fights_for_her_return.shtml
or how about a married woman's
ordeal in Georgia for a traffic violation at
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=f4f1d2fb-07ae-4560-8f6c-703acf8146fb&k=0
Crossing the
border when you have an ad running to show the premises and saying you are going
down to spend the weekend in your holiday home (i.e lying to the HOMELAND
Security official) could result in seizure of your vehicle and a ban for up to
10 years under their ER (Expedited Removal) process. In other words, it is
more serious to lie to the guard at the border than it is to do the
work.
You 'could' actually show the property for rent, but you can
NOT write out a contract for rent or collect a single rent cheque (check) or
cash for rent in the United States. There is nothing new about this. The
first time I ran into it was in 1972 or 1973.
If you are physically
there, you can NOT cut the grass, shovel the sidewalk, paint or decorate or
repair or fix or remodel or improve or take out the garbage for any part of the
rental property.
You can paint and clean your own unit if it is NEVER
rented or intended to be rented. You can not paint and clean up getting the
property ready for rent so DO NOT make the mistake of thinking you can live in
one, clean it up and remodel it and then rent it out and do the same for another
one and then another one and another one. If you do this and one of your tenants
(who maybe doesn't like you because you evicted them or told them to turn their
stereo down when you happen to be in town or for any other reason) read my
website, (or the uscis website) he or she would find out that you can NOT do
this stuff and could phone the Homeland Security office or write an anonymous
letter and you could be arrested in November 2008 for something you did in
December 2007.
This may seem unreal, but in US terms, working
without a visa is just as serious in law as the spontaneous robbing of a
convenience store and the penalties can be worse. Think of those nightly
news shows with 28 illegal Mexican or Guatemalan citizens being stuffed into
Paddy wagons on the Arizona border. This is not a racist comment but with the
Mexican illegal immigrants, bing rounded up and shipped back across the border
is a way of life with no social stigma. For a nice clean living Canadian,
being thrown into an immigration detention cell for taking money for rent is a
devastating experience. In one case, a mother and her son were thrown into jail
for 5 days in Phoenix when she went to Phoenix from White Rock BC. Her
husband owned 18 units and HAD a property manager. Unfortunately, he also
died in the arms of that female property manager and his widow then fired the
property manager and she and her 20 year old son went to Phoenix to collect the
rent and hire another property manager.
The property manager (who knew
the law as everyone in Arizona does) phoned Homeland Security who showed up and
arrested mother and son and threw them into the notorious Phoenix Immigration
hell with some 300 other illegals. To rub salt into the widow's wounds, the
property manager ended up with the property because she was a second mortgage
holder on the property and the property fell into default because of the widow's
cash flow troubles, largely because she could not go to Phoenix to hire another
property manager.
For instance, for 'you', this kind of arrest
could result in imprisonment for a usual five days in a US immigration jail
until you posted $5,000 bail each and then being banished from the US for five
to ten years.
It does not stop there. This type of
conviction would stop you getting on an airplane which stopped in the USA on the
way to Mexico. AND, under new US laws that have been proposed but
not yet actually put in place, the arrest and banning would stop your Nov 6 trip
to Cancun because people in this position will not even be allowed on commercial
airliners that are flying over any part of the US. To get to Cancun, you would
have to fly from Calgary or Vancouver to London England and then back to Mexico
City and 'then' to Cancun and reverse it to get home.
This may be
overkill but 'You' are / were lucky that the inspector gave you the correct
advice BEFORE you put your foot in it.
By the way, for income tax You
ALSO HAVE TO FILE A 1040NR US TAX RETURN WITH A SCHEDULE E AND A SCHEDULE
4562 EACH. Then the same income gets put on Schedule T776 of your
Canadian return. If you have paid tax to the US, you will claim it as a
credit on Canadian forms T2209 and T2036.
David
Ingram's US/Canada Services
US/Canada/Mexico Tax Immigration &
working Visa Specialists
US / Canada Real Estate
Specialists
4466 Prospect Road
North Vancouver,
BC, CANADA, V7N 3L7
Calls accepted from 10 AM to 10 PM 7 days a
week
Res (604) 980-3578 Cell (604) 657-8451
Bus (604)
980-0321 Fax (604) 980-0325
[email protected]
www.centa.com www.david-ingram.com
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The
second dealt with making your personal mortgage interest in Canada deductible
and the Overs, Evans, Lipson and Singleton tax cases and
GAAR
David
Ingram's US/Canada Services
Mortgage Interest as a Deduction in 2008 – dealing with GAAR
I first conceived of this method in 1975/76 when a client of mine had a rental duplex and had a tenant who was injured in a car accident. It was at the time of the changeover from private insurance to ICBC and the injured single mother tenant was waiting for an insurance settlement.
My client allowed his tenant to stay in the half duplex for more than a year and to stay afloat him self, he borrowed money to pay the duplex bills. When doing his 1975 tax return, we deducted the interest paid on the loan because the purpose of the loan was clearly to fund the rental duplex.
When he finally got his cheque for more than $5,000 from the tenant, it would have been all over if he had just paid the loan off and we had not thought about it. But my client, bless his soul, phoned and asked if he had to pay off the loan (which was deductible) or could he use the money for another non-deductible purpose.
My answer, after thinking about it for a day or so, was that he could us e the $5,000+ for any purpose he could think of. At the same time, I said this, I was also writing something for the North Shore Credit Union and put my ‘new’ method of making the mortgage interest deductible in this report which they then published as part of an advertisement in the North shore News in (I think) November, 1976.
I expanded it and it was next published by Hancock House Publishers in my Investment Guide in 1979, 1980 and 1985 and 1991 and BC Business magazine in 1979. Sometime in there, the Ontario Dental Association also ran it in their magazine. It then became part of the Internet and can be found in the March 1997 and November 2001 newsletters.
I was pretty heavily involved in the Federal Conservative Party (ran for the North Shore Nomination in 19780 and am proud to say that we got mortgage interest as a tax deduction on the 1979 federal Income tax return.
Unfortunately, Joe Clark, the Prime Minister at the time, did not count the number of yes votes and lost a non-confidence motion on Dec 12, 1979, and on Feb 18, 1980, Pierre Trudeau was re-elected as Prime Minister and even though there was a 4-page form and a line on the T-1 General that year, the deduction was killed retroactively by the liberal government and we no longer had this benefit for all without manipulating the paperwork.
In 1981, Fred Snyder was running a series of seminars and teaching my method to a lot of different groups. In one seminar, he taught it to Realtors, McCauley, Nicolls, Maitland and Company and the manager Fraser Smith wrote Fred a letter thanking him for explaining the methods. In 1985, Fraser Smith than published the SMITH MANOUVRE which explains the method in great detail and at the time, VANCITY Savings Credit Union was featured in the book and was very good at setting up the method.
Then on Oct 27, 1988 John Singleton had approximately $300,000 in his lawyer’s capital account. He got permission to take the $300,000 out (it was his but was being used as security in his law practice). He used it to buy a house and then used the house as security to borrow $300,000 which he then put into his capital account; this was all done in one day. Of course, since the money in the account was now borrowed for business purposes, he deducted the interest on his 1988 and 1989 returns and the Tax Department turned him down. He appealed and lost in the Tax Court of Canada but won in the Federal court of Appeals. The CRA appealed to the Supreme Court and in October 2001, the Supreme Court of Canada found in favour of John Singleton in a 5 to 2 decision.
This case has now been quoted and cited in many other
cases. In OVERS 2006 TCC 26, Mr Overs paid back a shareholder-loan, which
would have been included in his income. By doing what he did,
co-incidentally, the interest expense was made deductible.
Mrs Overs borrowed funds
to purchase shares of his holding company at their fair market
value. However, Mr Overs did NOT use a 73(1) rollover as
Lipson did. Therefore, no capital gain was realized but the
attribution rules in section 74(1) worked to transfer the interest expense on
the wife’s borrowed funds -- back to him.
Judge Little turned down
the CRA’s claim that tax benefits arose from this series of transactions.
The taxpayer followed the Income Tax Act in repaying
his loan and transferring the shares to his wife. Justice Little ruled that the
transactions were NOT avoidance transactions and therefore GAAR did not apply.
Judge Little ruled that none of the transactions could be considered “abusive
tax avoidance”.
And Judge Bowman ruled in favour of Evans (2005 TCC
684). Judge Bowman found there were no avoidance transactions
in what could only be described as a super complicated and very sophisticated
series of business restructurings that ended up with a former shareholder
receiving cash by using specific rules in the Act, including
sections 85
(rollovers), 110.6
(capital gains exemption), 112 (tax free inter-corporate dividends), 74.5
(attribution) and ss. 84(3) (deemed dividends).
Judge Bowman assumed
that there ‘were’ avoidance transactions. He then dealt with
them on an individual basis to decide whether the avoidance transactions were
‘abusive’. His final decision was that provisions of the
Income Tax Act operated as intended and there could not be any
abuse.
However, he was not of
the same opinion with the LIPSON Family who lost in Lipson v. The Queen, 2006 TCC 148
Mr Lipson owned a profitable
business and:
- The Lipsons contracted to buy a home in Forest Hills in Toronto
- Mrs Lipson took out a demand loan to buy share in the family business from her husband.
- The shares were transferred to Mrs Lipson as a section 73(1) rollover
- Mr Lipson used the funds to buy the house
- They “both” took out a mortgage on the house to repay the demand loan
Judge Bowman used the Section 245 GAAR
provisions to rule that the Lipson family was guilty of Gross Abuse of the Tax
system. Perhaps, if they had a business reason for the loan
or had not used the Section 73(1) tax free rollover, he would have found in
their favour as he did with the EVANS 2005 DTC 1762 case. In
the LIPSON case the wife’s borrowing did not put income in her hands and it was
unclear who had paid the interest.
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Catch - up returns for the US where we use the Canadian return as a guide for seven years at a time will be $150 to $500.00 per year depending upon numbers of bank accounts, RRSP's, existence of rental houses, self employment, etc.
Just a guideline not etched in stone.
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