capital gains on primary residence - $500, 000 tax free on sale of business in - Fedel Saccomanno tax case
QUESTION:
david ingram replies:
1. If the house is empty, it will be tax free if it is the only one you own. If it is rented, you can make an election to keep it as you r principal tax free residence for up to 5 years by stating
"I hereby elect to declare the home at 1234 xxxxx street, anywhere, XX to be my principal residence even though I do not ordinarily inhabit it. If you are just on vacation or trying out another place, the election is good for 4+1 years. If you were transferred by your company to another city, the election is good for as long as you stay in the transferred employment,
2. Using a room absolutely makes that portion of a house taxable in the USA. As a consequence, I rarely claim an office in the home on US tax returns. However, in the Fedel Saccomanno case in Canada, it is clear that even renting out two thirds as in a triplex does NOT make it taxable. see *** below..
3. If the business was incorporated, you can claim up to $500,000 of profit tax free,. If the business was a proprietorship, the sale is subject to capital gains tax,
If it was a proprietorship and you are kicking yourself for not being incorporated, do not get too excited. i almost NEVER let a client buy the business as a corporation because the purchaser gets a lousy tax break on the purchase. When selling a corporation the purchase price is usually dropped about as much as the tax saved by the seller so that the purchaser stays even.
In my experience, about the only time a Canadian does get to sell their Canadian corporation for the tax free capital gain, is when it is a one or two person software company selling out to a public company who wants control of the asset to raise money on the stock exchange. And then, it is likely a $4,000,000 sale with $500,000 or it being tax free and insignificant in the whole picture.
>>
>> QUESTION:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Last year, we rented out our condo in Vancouver. The
>> plan then was to have the rent cover our mortgage
>> payments for the 12 months that we would be away. A
>> short term solution.
>>
>> Now, we are planning to be away from BC for a longer
>> period of time (approx. 2 years) and wish to sell the condo
>> in the middle of the year, as we are unable to rent the
>> condo for any longer due to strata council by laws.
>>
>> 1) If we sell the condo when there has been a tenant living
>> in it for 12 months, will we pay capital gains?
>>
>> 2) What are our best options to avoid paying this tax?
>>
>> 3) If capital gains would be owed, for how long would we
>> have to make the unit our principal residence again before
>> we can sell it and not pay CGT?
>>
>> Thank you,
_________________________________________________________________
david ingram replies:
If you filed a section 45(2) election with your first year's rental, you
can rent the condo out for up to 4 years (plus 1 in the calculation)
without incurring capital gains tax if you have not bought another
residence that you are living in.
See Below:
We are planning to travel and stay on away from home for up to 2 years on Vancouver Island, if we decide to sell at the end of that time will our house still be considered our primary residence? Also - someone told me that if I've ever used a room at home as an office that I have to pay capital gains on that portion of the house sale, is this true? Question Number Three - I sold my business of 42 yrs, not incorporated, and want to know if I will have to pay capital gains there. I received 100 thousand down and am owed 85. Thanks, xxxxxxx-------------------------------------------------------
david ingram replies:
1. If the house is empty, it will be tax free if it is the only one you own. If it is rented, you can make an election to keep it as you r principal tax free residence for up to 5 years by stating
"I hereby elect to declare the home at 1234 xxxxx street, anywhere, XX to be my principal residence even though I do not ordinarily inhabit it. If you are just on vacation or trying out another place, the election is good for 4+1 years. If you were transferred by your company to another city, the election is good for as long as you stay in the transferred employment,
2. Using a room absolutely makes that portion of a house taxable in the USA. As a consequence, I rarely claim an office in the home on US tax returns. However, in the Fedel Saccomanno case in Canada, it is clear that even renting out two thirds as in a triplex does NOT make it taxable. see *** below..
3. If the business was incorporated, you can claim up to $500,000 of profit tax free,. If the business was a proprietorship, the sale is subject to capital gains tax,
If it was a proprietorship and you are kicking yourself for not being incorporated, do not get too excited. i almost NEVER let a client buy the business as a corporation because the purchaser gets a lousy tax break on the purchase. When selling a corporation the purchase price is usually dropped about as much as the tax saved by the seller so that the purchaser stays even.
In my experience, about the only time a Canadian does get to sell their Canadian corporation for the tax free capital gain, is when it is a one or two person software company selling out to a public company who wants control of the asset to raise money on the stock exchange. And then, it is likely a $4,000,000 sale with $500,000 or it being tax free and insignificant in the whole picture.
In 1986, Fedel Saccomanno won the sale of his home as a tax free capital gain as his principal residence. He had bought a triplex with two units rented out, and lived in the third unit with his wife on weekends when he was not teaching at the University of Waterloo. When he did not get tenure at Waterloo, and sold the property, DNR tried to tax two-thirds of the profits. Judge Taylor ruled that the entire triplex was tax free, giving credence to my claim in my Investment Guide. In the Investment Guide, I suggest that people with duplexes and triplexes should claim the whole building tax free in spite of the fact that Bulletins IT 120R2 and R3 stated that half a duplex and two thirds of a triplex would be taxable.
>>
>> QUESTION:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Last year, we rented out our condo in Vancouver. The
>> plan then was to have the rent cover our mortgage
>> payments for the 12 months that we would be away. A
>> short term solution.
>>
>> Now, we are planning to be away from BC for a longer
>> period of time (approx. 2 years) and wish to sell the condo
>> in the middle of the year, as we are unable to rent the
>> condo for any longer due to strata council by laws.
>>
>> 1) If we sell the condo when there has been a tenant living
>> in it for 12 months, will we pay capital gains?
>>
>> 2) What are our best options to avoid paying this tax?
>>
>> 3) If capital gains would be owed, for how long would we
>> have to make the unit our principal residence again before
>> we can sell it and not pay CGT?
>>
>> Thank you,
_________________________________________________________________
david ingram replies:
If you filed a section 45(2) election with your first year's rental, you
can rent the condo out for up to 4 years (plus 1 in the calculation)
without incurring capital gains tax if you have not bought another
residence that you are living in.
See Below:
My question is: Canadian-specific
QUESTION: Dear Mr. Ingram,
I bought a house in the December of year 2000, lived there till the end of December 2000 (3 weeks) and started to rent it out on January 1, 2001. I filed the election 45(2) to claim the house as my primary residence for years 2001, 2002, 2003 and will do it for 2004.
I do not claim a depreciation for those years.
I want to sell the house now. Do I need to move in house first in order to avoid the payment of the capital gain taxes. For how long I have to stay there to be eligible for not paying the capital gain taxes on sold house if I need to move in.
Thank you in advance for you help,
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david ingram replies:
QUESTION: Dear Mr. Ingram,
I bought a house in the December of year 2000, lived there till the end of December 2000 (3 weeks) and started to rent it out on January 1, 2001. I filed the election 45(2) to claim the house as my primary residence for years 2001, 2002, 2003 and will do it for 2004.
I do not claim a depreciation for those years.
I want to sell the house now. Do I need to move in house first in order to avoid the payment of the capital gain taxes. For how long I have to stay there to be eligible for not paying the capital gain taxes on sold house if I need to move in.
Thank you in advance for you help,
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david ingram replies:
First I am going to
repeat your old question from last July and my answer.
My question is: Canadian-specific
QUESTION: Hi, David!
I would like to know is it possible to use the election under the section 45(2) again if the old house is sold and the new one is bought. Can it be used unlimited number of times by the condition that it is used for each house only once.
Thank you
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David Ingram replies:
QUESTION: Hi, David!
I would like to know is it possible to use the election under the section 45(2) again if the old house is sold and the new one is bought. Can it be used unlimited number of times by the condition that it is used for each house only once.
Thank you
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David Ingram replies:
Section 45(2) is
intended to allow people to try something out. This means that if you
move to a rented condo for a couple of years and rent your house out,
you can move back into the house without suffering a capital gains tax
under section 45(2).
Since it was passed on
June 17, 1972, (32 years ago now) I have never seen it used more than
twice by one person.
Does not mean it has
not been used more than twice in thirty years, it just means it is
unlikely.
There is no numeric
restriction but if you are moving in and out of houses, the CRA will
treat you as a trader and tax you at full rates.
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Now, to answer this
question. Section 45(2) is NOT something you can plan to use. In
other words, your living in the house for three weeks and renting it
out and filing a section 45(2) election does NOT make it tax free if
you bought the house to rent and not to live in as your personal
principal residence.
Your question indicates
to me that you are trying to beat the system and did not buy the first
house to live in and unless you can show the tax office that you moved
every stick of furniture in and really intended to live there, the CRA
will not allow it to be sold tax free.
This year, a new policy
of the CRA is that they wish form T2091 to be filed with every tax
return where a personal house was sold during the year.
If it was your
residence and you genuinely intended to live there and were transferred
of suddenly got married or could not stand your neighbour or lost your
driver's licence or suffered some other disaster that caused you to
"HAVE TO" move suddenly, filing section 45(2) will make it tax free
provided you did not also own another house that you did live in. If
you did own another house that you actually lived in, claiming the
house you have filed the 45(2) election for as tax free, will MAKE THE
HOUSE YOU ACTUALLY LIVED IN TAXABLE.
If you have a genuine
45(2) election, you do not need to move back in. If it is not a
genuine 45(2), moving back in will TRIGGER a tax bill as you move in.
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return.
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filing both countries) - no self employment or rentals or capital gains
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you moved in and out of the country.
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