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david ingram replies:
As described, in my opinion, you have no US rights if none of those ancestors took out US citizenship at the time.
If your Grandfather had done so was a US citizen when he came to Canada and his Canadian born child, your mother or father had happened to spend five years going to University in the USA, you could even be a derivative US citizen. However, if your ancestors were only landed immigrants to the USA and left without taking out US citizenship, you are out of luck.
I think you are likely talking or referring to the Jay treaty of 1794. This treaty only applies to people of North American Aboriginal heritage and they must have 50% of more Native blood to invoke it. A 'blood' letter from the native band is required to invoke the treaty.
To qualify under the treaty, your husband has to prove 50% or more aboriginal blood.
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My ancestors immigrated to Kansas in 1905 from Europe and obtained Landed Immigrant Status in the USA. In 1912 they Immigrated to Canada. Would that help me obtain Permanent Residency and/or a Green Card in the USA under the North American Treaty Agreement of the 1700s Your reply would be greatly appreciated. Regards,--------------------------------------------------------------------
david ingram replies:
As described, in my opinion, you have no US rights if none of those ancestors took out US citizenship at the time.
If your Grandfather had done so was a US citizen when he came to Canada and his Canadian born child, your mother or father had happened to spend five years going to University in the USA, you could even be a derivative US citizen. However, if your ancestors were only landed immigrants to the USA and left without taking out US citizenship, you are out of luck.
I think you are likely talking or referring to the Jay treaty of 1794. This treaty only applies to people of North American Aboriginal heritage and they must have 50% of more Native blood to invoke it. A 'blood' letter from the native band is required to invoke the treaty.
This letter is concerning an article we
read on the web. My husband is a Canadian-Born Native American ( of
50% aboriginal blood) and has applied for and received a Social
Security Number. He went to get his Oklahoma Driver's License and they
are saying that he has to have a 'green card' in order to get one. Is
this true?
We have been married 1 year this June.
We also have a 6 month old daughter born here in the United States. I
am an American citizen, born and raised in the United States.
Any information you can give us would be
greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
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david ingram replies:
The Jay Treaty is unusual in that the
United states still recognizes and incorporated it into section 289 of
the INS rules. Canada does not recognize it nearly as freely and tries
to make a US Native Indian prove their own cultural ties to the area
in Canada that they wish to visit and even then will not allow them to
work or live permanently in Canada under the terms of the Jay Treaty.
To qualify under the treaty, your husband has to prove 50% or more aboriginal blood.
This does NOT mean that he can just walk
across the border into the USA at any point. He MUST still check in
at the border and tell them he is intending to live in the US under
Article III of the Jay Treaty which I am including here.
When and if he can prove his blood
percentage point at the border, they will give him paperwork which is
equivalent to a green card under the circumstances. He should then
apply for and get an actual resident alien (green) card.
I do not know anything about Oklahoma
rules. I have had all sorts of people get driver's licence in every
state of the union without a green card. However, they "have" had a
working visa of some sort.
Your husband's problem (I think) is that
he has no paperwork authorizing him to be in the USA. The SSN does not
entitle him to anything in particular and he may not actually have a
SSN, it may be an ITIN.
I am not a lawyer nor a member of the
AILA (American Immigration Lawyers Association). If you need any legal
help with this, I suggest that you contact Bruce Campbell in North
Vancouver at (604) 980-5201 or Greg Boos in Bellingham ((360) 671-5945
) in the state of Washington. Indeed, in 42 years, I have only run
across one other lawyer (now a judge) who truly understood the Treaty
but I am in the west and I think it is dealt with more routinely in
Ontario and Quebec.
You can read the whole treaty with
amending protocols at http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/D/1776-1800/foreignpolicy/jay.htm
Good luck.
Article III and its Explanation follow
here:
It is agreed that it shall at all times be free to His Majesty's subjects, and to the citizens of the United States, and also to the Indians dwelling on either side of the said boundary line, freely to pass and repass by land or inland navigation, into the respective territories and countries of the two parties, on the continent of America, (the country within the limits of the Hudson's Bay Company only excepted.) and to navigate all the lakes, rivers and waters thereof, and freely to carry on trade and commerce with each other. But it is understood that this article does not extend to the admission of vessels of the United States into the seaports, harbours, bays or creeks of His Majesty's said territories; nor into such parts of the rivers in His Majesty's said territories as are between the mouth thereof, and the highest port of entry from the sea, except in small vessels trading bona fide between Montreal and Quebec, under such regulations as shall be established to prevent the possibility of any frauds in this respect. Nor to the admission of British vessels from the sea into the rivers of the United States, beyond the highest ports of entry for foreign vessels from the sea. The river Mississippi shall, however, according to the treaty of peace, be entirely open to both parties; and it is further agreed, that all the ports and places on its eastern side, to whichsoever of the parties belonging, may freely be resorted to and used by both parties, in as ample a manner as any of the Atlantic ports or places of the United States, or any of the ports or places of His Majesty in Great Britain
All goods and merchandize whose importation into His Majesty's said territories in America shall not be entirely prohibited, may freely, for the purposes of commerce, be carried into the same in the manner aforesaid, by the citizens of the United States, and such goods and merchandize shall be subject to no higher or other duties than would be payable by His Majesty's subjects on the importation of the same from Europe into the said territories. And in like manner all goods and merchandize whose importation into the United States shall not be wholly prohibited, may freely, for the purposes of commerce, be carried into the same, in the manner aforesaid, by His Majesty's subjects, and such goods and merchandize shall be subject to no higher or other duties than would be payable by the citizens of the United States on the importation of the same in American vessels into the Atlantic ports of the said States. And all goods not prohibited to be exported from the said territories respectively, may in like manner be carried out of the same by the two parties respectively, paying duty as aforesaid.
No duty of entry shall ever be levied by either party on peltries brought by land or inland navigation into the said territories respectively, nor shall the Indians passing or repassing with their own proper goods and effects of whatever nature, pay for the same any impost or duty whatever. But goods in bales, or other large packages, unusual among Indians, shall not be considered as goods belonging bona fide to Indians.
No higher or other tolls or rates of ferriage than what are or shall be payable by natives, shall be demanded on either side; and no duties shall be payable on any goods which shall merely be carried over any of the portages or carrying places on either side, for the purpose of being immediately reembarked and carried to some other place or places. But as by this stipulation it is only meant to secure to each party a free passage across the portages on both sides, it is agreed that this exemption from duty shall extend only to such goods as are carried in the usual and direct road across the portage, and are not attempted to be in any manner sold or exchanged during their passage across the same, and proper regulations may be established to prevent the possibility of any frauds in this respect.
As this article is intended to render in a great degree the local advantages of each party common to both, and thereby to promote a disposition favorable to friendship and good neighborhood, it is agreed that the respective Governments will mutually promote this amicable intercourse, by causing speedy and impartial justice to be done, and necessary protection to be extended to all who may be concerned therein.
1796.
EXPLANATORY ARTICLE TO
THE THIRD ARTICLE OF THE TREATY OF
NOVEMBER 19, 1794, RESPECTING THE LIBERTY TO PASS AND REPASS THE
BORDERS AND TO CARRY ON TRADE AND COMMERCE.
Concluded May 4, 1796; Ratification
advised by Senate May 9, 1796.
Whereas by the third article of the
treaty of amity, commerce and navigation, concluded at London on the
nineteenth day of November, one thousand seven hundred and ninety-four,
between His Britannic Majesty and the United States of America, it was
agreed that is should at all times be free to His Majesty's subjects
and to the citizens of the United States, and also to the Indians
dwelling on either side of the boundary line, assigned by the treaty of
peace to the United States, freely to pass and repass, by land or
inland navigation, into the respective territories and countries of the
two contracting parties, on the continent of America, (the country
within the limits of the Hudson's Bay Company only excepted,) and to
navigate all the lakes, rivers, and waters thereof, and freely to carry
on trade and commerce with each other, subject to the provisions and
limitations contained in the said article: And whereas by the eighth
article of the treaty of peace and friendship concluded at Greenville on the third day of
August, one thousand seven hundred and ninety-five, between the United
States and the nations or tribes of Indians called the Wyandots,
Delawares, Shawanoes, Ottawas, Chippewas, Putawatimies, Miamis, Eel
River, Weeas, Kickapoos, Piankashaws, and Kaskaskias, it was stipulated
that no person should be permitted to reside at any of the towns or the
hunting camps of the said Indian tribes, as a trader, who is not
furnished with a licence for that purpose under the authority of the
United States: Which latter stipulation has excited doubts, whether in
its operation it may not interfere with the due execution of the third
article of the treaty of amity, commerce and navigation: And it being
the sincere desire of His Britannic Majesty and of the United States
that this point should be so explained as to remove all doubts and
promote mutual satisfaction and friendship: And for this purpose His
Britannic Majesty having named for his Commissioner, Phineas Bond,
Esquire, His Majesty's Consul General for the Middle and Southern
States of America, (and now His Majesty's Chargé d'Affaires to the
United States,) and the President of the United States having named for
their Commissioner, Timothy Pickering, Esquire, Secretary of State of
the United States, to whom, agreeably to the laws of the United States,
he has intrusted this negotiation: They, the said Commissioners, having
communicated to each other their full powers, have, in virtue of the
same, and conformably to the spirit of the last article of the said
treaty of amity, commerce and navigation, entered into this explanatory
article, and do by these presents explicitly agree and declare, that no
stipulations in any treaty subsequently concluded by either of the
contracting parties with any other State or nation, or with any Indian
tribe, can be understood to derogate in any manner from the rights of
free intercourse and commerce, secured by the aforesaid third article
of the treaty of amity, commerce and navigation, to the subjects of his
Majesty and to the citizens of the United States, and to the Indians
dwelling on either side of the boundary line aforesaid; but that all
the said persons shall remain at full liberty freely to pass and
repass, by land or inland navigation, into the respective territories
and countries of the contracting parties, on either side of the said
boundary line, and freely to carry on trade and commerce with each
other, according to the stipulations of the said third article of the
treaty of amity, commerce and navigation.
This explanatory article, when the same
shall have been ratified by His Majesty and by the President of the
United States, by and with the advice and consent of their Senate, and
the respective ratifications mutually exchanged, shall be added to and
make a part of the said treaty of amity commerce and navigation, and
shall be permanently binding upon His Majesty and the United States.
In witness whereof we, the said
Commissioners of His Majesty the King of Great Britain and the United
States of America, have signed this present explanatory article, and
thereto affixed our seals.
Done at Philadelphia this fourth day of
May, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and ninety-six.
(SEAL.) P. BOND. (SEAL.) TIMOTHY
PICKERING.
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$1,700 would be for two people with income from two countries
Catch - up returns for the US where we use the Canadian return as a guide for seven years at a time will be from $150 to $600.00 per year depending upon numbers of bank accounts, RRSP's, existence of rental houses, self employment, etc. Note that these returns tend to be informational rather than taxable. In fact, if there are children involved, we usually get refunds of $1,000 per child per year for 3 years. We have done several catch-ups where the client has received as much as $6,000 back for an $1,800 bill and one recently with 6 children is resulting in over $12,000 refund.
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This is not intended to be definitive
but in general I am quoting $900 to $3,000 for a dual country tax
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$900 would be one T4 slip one W2 slip
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Catch - up returns for the US where we use the Canadian return as a guide for seven years at a time will be from $150 to $600.00 per year depending upon numbers of bank accounts, RRSP's, existence of rental houses, self employment, etc. Note that these returns tend to be informational rather than taxable. In fact, if there are children involved, we usually get refunds of $1,000 per child per year for 3 years. We have done several catch-ups where the client has received as much as $6,000 back for an $1,800 bill and one recently with 6 children is resulting in over $12,000 refund.
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