Visas for Americans seeking work in ? NAFTA LIST -

Hi David,

 

My husband, two children and I want to move to Vancouver. We are tired of being stuck in traffic, dealing with crime and poor public schools. He is a project manager / performance consultant. We live in Texas. Realistically, is it even worth our time seeking employment in Vancouver? I know you probably want to keep the beautiful city to yourselves. J

 

I am also visually impaired and love the mass transit Van has to offer. But, I imagine everyone wants to live there and do not see a real incentive for a BC employer to go through a bunch of legal hoops to hire a US citizen  for a job which could be filled by a number of  Canadians.

 

Any perspective or advice?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

 

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david ingram replies:

My old partner in Ottawa, Gary Gauvin - www.garygauvin.com - has moved just outside of Dallas and I understand would not give it up for anything. He is also a superb US Canada Income Tax consultant.  AND, AND, AND, in the last three months, I have had at least a dozen clients move to Texas.  You can find some of those references on my website.

The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence.  The cost of living there is much lower than Vancouver.  Traffic jams can be atrocious.  Although we have Skytrain and Seabus which are wonderful point to point, getting from some points to relatively close points can involve three bus transfers as you move on three sides of a square.  If you want good public transit, I suggest Toronto..

However, since I have had a dozen families leave lately, we actually have room for you in Vancouver.

Vancouver Employers are screaming for workers at the moment.

The best and fastest  method is for one of you to get a job here and move that way.  After a year, you can apply for permanent residence. 

You could also come as an investor with a locked in $400,000 investment and another $400,000 of assets.

Other than that, if one of you can qualify with 67 out of 100 points on our self-assessment test, you can start the paperwork yourselves (it is not that difficult) and do the paperwork yourself. It takes about two years at the moment.

The test can be found at:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/assess/index.html
This is the self-assessment test for an individual to determine his or her
eligibility to immigrate to Canada without being sponsored by a spouse.

If you get a score of 67 or better you qualify to sponsor yourself to Canada.

67 or better, goto http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/apply-how.asp for regular or simplified process.

Most applicants must use the simplified process. However, you must use the regular process if:

• You are a provincial nominee;
• You have been selected by Quebec;
• You are eligible for points for arranged employment;
• You have been lawfully admitted to Canada for a period of at least one year and you are submitting your application at the Canadian visa office in Buffalo; or
• You have been lawfully admitted into the United States for a period of at least one year and you are submitting your application at the Canadian visa office in Buffalo.

If none of the situations described above apply to you, you must use the simplified application process.
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Your job description does not qualify under NAFTA (which Obama and Hillary want to cancel apparently).  If it did, you could find a NAFTA LISTED JOB and move here in 24 hours. 

I am reproducing the NAFTA list here.  this is my version for a Canadian to go tot he US but it is the same in reverse.

On December 8, 1993, President Clinton signed the NAFTA  Agreement, which took effect on  January 1, 1994 under 101(a)(15).

TD - Spouse or Child of NAFTA Professional under 214(e)(2) (TN holder)

TN - NAFTA Professional - (North America Free Trade Agreement) PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS PERSON

A professional is defined as a person with a minimum of a bachelor's degree, who applies for a position, which requires a degree as its minimum entry-level requirement unless otherwise specified.

This is the one we heard about in the news. To meet this classification which is unique to Canadians, Mexicans or Americans, you must have a bone fide job offer and all licenses and degrees in place for your profession. 

CHECK LIST for the TN Visa

    * An applicant for admission must establish Canadian Mexican or American citizenship

    * The applicant must be entering the United States, CANADA or Mexico  to engage in a profession or occupation at a professional level under NAFTA

    * The applicant must be in possession of an offer or contract of employment from a United States, Canadian or Mexican  employer stating:

        1)     The professional activity to be engaged in

        2)     Purpose of entry 

        3)     Remuneration

        4)     That the position is temporary in nature and will not exceed one  year  (although it can be renewed)

* The applicant must provide documentation of his or her educational degree or professional qualifications

* The applicant must meet all licensing requirements

* Employment need not be full-time 

* Permanent residence abroad is not a prerequisite

* Maximum period of admission of a TN is one year

* TN dependants accompanying the principal TN will be admitted under the  "TD" classification for the same amount of time as the principal 

* A $56 U.S. fee is required ($85.00 for renewal by mail)

* TN applicants are not permitted to enter as a professional to participate in any way to circumvent a strike

* SELF EMPLOYMENT IS NOT PERMISSIBLE

The following is a partial list of some who qualify under a TN Visa. Please note that extensive experience can equal a degree in many cases. All need a Bachelor or Baccalaureate degree unless otherwise noted. In some cases, 3 or 4  years of practical work in a discipline can count for one year of a University degree.  Therefore if the University BA requires 3 years, you need 9 or 12 years of work experience to qualify. 

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* Accountants - RIA or SIA or CPA or CGA or CMA or CA

** Actuaries (this is one of two classifications added since 1989)

* Agriculturalists

* Agronomists

* Animal Breeders

* Animal Scientists

* Apiculturist

* Architects - BA or state / provincial license

* Astronomers

* Biochemists

* Biologists

* Botanists

* Chemists

* Computer Systems Analyst - BA or Post-secondary Diploma or Post-secondary certificate and three years of practical experience. This does not get you to the USA, if your job is programming a computer.  An Analyst might spend a day a month working on some modifications (in a testing mode for instance), but they better not be thought of as a "programmer" within the company.

**** Computer Software Engineer *** This is NOT here as an approved occupation.  However, Jackie Bednarz (US head of the NAFTA Section 16 Working group in Washington stated specifically that if a recognized University was to offer the degree, she would consider computer software engineers under the ENGINEER classification when a recognized University granted the degree.  My understanding is that SFU and McGill are now granting such degrees and that the Professional Engineers of British Columbia have recognized graduates as members of their professional society.  Note that TC and TN's were being granted for this category on a sporadic basis until the INS realized that no such "official" degree existed. 

Jackie Bednarz also pointed out (She was part of the original negotiating team when the original FTA (Free Trade Agreement) was being negotiated in 1985, 86, 87 and 88, there was no such thing as the INTERNET, "web masters" and "web sites". When negotiating the job titles, no thought was given to the computer revolution, other than the computer system analyst designation, which at the time meant a main frame analyst for a $1,000,000 computer.

(Thanks to Stuart Lynne and Richard Pitt) (www.fireplug.net), the CEN-TA Group was an official member of the Internet as far back as 1986 and thanks to Bill Gates himself (he told me to use Microsoft Xenix as my operating system) and Radio Shack Model 16 computers, CEN-TA was using "email" between offices in Toronto, Ottawa and Vancouver as early as 1983. 

As another aside, Stuart Lynne and Richard Pitt went on to found WIMSEY, the FIRST ISP in CANADA. Bill Gates became quite famous as well. 

* Dairy Scientists 

* Dentists - DDS, DMD, or state / provincial license

* Dental Technicians

* Dietitian

* Disaster Relief Insurance Claim Specialists - (claims adjuster employed by an insurance company located in the territory of a party or an independent claims adjuster) - BA and successful completion of training in the appropriate areas of insurance adjustment pertaining to disaster relief claims; or, three years experience in claims adjustment and successful completion of training in the appropriate areas of insurance adjustment pertaining to disaster relief claims

* Doctors - (see physician further on)

* Economists

* Engineers - BA or state / provincial licensing

* Entomologists 

* Epidemiologists

* Forester - BA or state / provincial licensing

* Geneticists

* Geochemist 

* Geologist 

* Geophysicists  (including Oceanographer in the United States)  

* Graphic Designer - BA or post-secondary diploma and three years    experience.

* Hotel Managers - BA in hotel / restaurant management; or,       post-secondary diploma or post-secondary certificate in hotel / restaurant management and three years experience in hotel / restaurant management

* Horticulturist

* Industrial Designer - BA or post-secondary diploma or post-secondary certificate and three years experience

* Interior Designer - BA or post-secondary diploma or post-secondary certificate and three years experience

* Journalist BA plus three years experience - (This category is no longer valid and has been left in to explain the circumstances. As I understand it, journalists in general took it as an insult that they had to have a BA degree, because, "most, if not all," of the best known journalists do not have a BA degree.)

* Land Surveyor - BA or state / provincial licenses

* Landscape Architect

* Lawyer (including notary in the Province of Quebec) - LLB, JD, LLL, BCL degree (five years); or membership in a state or provincial bar

* Librarians - MLS or BLS (for which another BA was a prerequisite)

* Management Consultants - BA; or equivalent professional experience as established by statement or professional credential attesting to five years experience as a management consultant, or five years experience in a field of specialty relating to the consulting agreement.  I must make it clear here.  A Management Consultant is NOT a manager.  The surest way to lose your management consultant renewal is to show up at the border with a business card with the title General Manager, Western Region, or Human Resources Manager, or, or, or.  A management consultant could consult with the actual sales manager about sales techniques or about selling into Canada.  A management consultant could be advising the actual human resources manager in hiring techniques or even suggesting that one candidate is a better fit than another one.  A management consultant can do market research, gather and assemble data and write a report to give to the manager. This is likely the hardest TN visa to get but is also a very important one when it comes to serving the needs of the US company.

Note that the management consultant does NOT need a degree, just five years experience.  This is the perfect job description for the person with 23 years of job experience who has never gone through the formal process of getting a university degree in the discipline.

* Mathematician (including statistician)

* Medical Laboratory Technologist (Canada) / Medical Technologist (U.S.) - BA; or post-secondary diploma or post-secondary certificate and three years experience

* Meteorologist

* Nutritionist

* Occupational Therapist - BA; or state / provincial license

* Organic Chemist  

* Pharmacologist (Pharmacist) - BA; or state / provincial license

* Physician - (teaching or research only), MD or state /provincial license. To work as MD, a doctor must pass his MLE (medical licensing exam), which has three, parts written over a year.  After passing, he or she would enter the U.S. under an H-1A.

* Physicist (including oceanographer in Canada)

* Physiotherapist/Physical Therapist - BA; or state     /provincial license

* Plant Breeder

** Plant Pathologists (This is one of two professions added since 1989)  

* Poultry Scientist

* Professional (most recognized professions)

* Psychologists - state / provincial license

* Range Conservationist

* Recreational Therapist

* Registered Nurse - state / provincial license

* Research Assistant (working in  post-secondary educational institution)

- * Scientific Technician - Possession of: (a) theoretical knowledge of any of the disciplines: agricultural sciences, astronomy, biology, chemistry, engineering, forestry, geology, geophysics, meteorology, or physics; and (b) the ability to solve practical problems in any of those disciplines, or the ability to apply principles of any of those disciplines to basic or applied research.

* Social Worker

* Soil Scientist

* Sylviculturist

* Teacher (College, Seminary, or University) (Post Secondary level only)

* Technical Publication Writer - BA, or post-secondary diploma or post-secondary certificate, and three years experience

* Urban Planner (including geographer)

* Veterinarian

* Vocational Counselor

* Zoologist

SUBJECT TO CHANGE

And then, as I was writing this exact section of the book in March, 1995, I received a call from a Doctor who had a job offer from the U.S., sold his house and Canadian practice, only to be told that he did not qualify when he showed up at the border because although a practicing family physician in Canada and fully qualified to go south with a Green Card (a resident alien immigrant visa), he did not qualify as a TN (can only teach or do research) and he did not qualify as an H-1B because he had not written an MLE. This medical licensing exam is written in three stages over a one year timetable.  I guess he has to sue his immigration attorney in Los Angeles.  This attorney knew he did not have his MLE, but charged him significant monies and told him he could get in now!

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